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RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Strawberry Avenger - 24-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 05:04 PM)the jock Wrote:(24-07-2020, 04:45 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:(24-07-2020, 02:48 PM)the jock Wrote: Was told lamouchi identified 3 players that he wanted. One way or another these didnt happen.
None of them were signings we made.
Ty for the info. Jock.
our failure to get them condemned us to ignominy.
SA.
No problem mate. Was disastrous. Hope you are doing well.
Doing alright, mate. Ty for askin'
Disaster end to a season that promised more.
SA.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Paplane - 24-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 07:32 PM)Tricky Wrote:(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.
It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?
Turkeys dont vote for Christmas Trick.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Tricky - 24-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 10:34 PM)Paplane Wrote:(24-07-2020, 07:32 PM)Tricky Wrote:(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.
It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?
Turkeys dont vote for Christmas Trick.
No but they do like a good gobble :D
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Maltared - 25-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 05:37 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: ^ +1 ^
Just wonder - if Sabri were to be replaced - what that might do for Carvalho’s future.
He isn't as good as people think ... he is a one trick pony but football is a team game were a group players are to pull together... Carvalho is like one of the Globetrotters... they give people a show but no one if them play for the USA.
Carvalho is not better then Everton guy we had on loan a couple of seasons ago ... and at least that kid scored goals. Eventually Jao will leave, let's see where he ends up nd how he will perform ... nd if anyone thinks that we will be getting anything more then 2 mill, it will be or a rip off, or back handers are involved ( probably like when he came here) ...
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - wassy04 - 25-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
The way its going to work allegedly is that any contract signed before this season will count as a 10k a week deal. So until players begin to sign new deals it won't have a huge impact.
Some clubs have 70-80m wage bills though so they will be greater impacted. This is a good thing for Forest and the EFL if it happens. It should allow greater competition, make the parachute payments less of an issue and actually stop all teams making ridiculous losses.
The prem won't be happy but I'm not sure all the champ clubs making huge losses is really in their best interest either
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 25-07-2020
Don't know if there is anything in this at the moment but the Spaniard and ex Olympiakos manager Michel has resigned from his job in Mexico. Could be just a coincidence.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Jean_claude_killy - 25-07-2020
(24-07-2020, 07:32 PM)Tricky Wrote:(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.
It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?
What can the PFA do?
The root cause of the problem is over paying players; Clubs are paying over 100% of income in wages
The Union can threaten strike action like the Rugby players Union did a few weeks back only to see sense and accept the new terms.
The Union has to accept that the times have changed.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Paplane - 25-07-2020
(25-07-2020, 01:03 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote:(24-07-2020, 07:32 PM)Tricky Wrote:(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.
It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?
What can the PFA do?
The root cause of the problem is over paying players; Clubs are paying over 100% of income in wages
The Union can threaten strike action like the Rugby players Union did a few weeks back only to see sense and accept the new terms.
The Union has to accept that the times have changed.
Its should be us, the fans, that strike to push this through. The cost of football is ridiculous these days.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Tricky - 25-07-2020
(25-07-2020, 01:03 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote:(24-07-2020, 07:32 PM)Tricky Wrote:(24-07-2020, 06:54 PM)Paplane Wrote: A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.
Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.
It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?
What can the PFA do?
The root cause of the problem is over paying players; Clubs are paying over 100% of income in wages
The Union can threaten strike action like the Rugby players Union did a few weeks back only to see sense and accept the new terms.
The Union has to accept that the times have changed.
I totally agree with you JCK. I was merely pointing out that players may have no choice but to accept a wage cap, if the PFA approve it, under a collective agreement.
I am not saying thats what they should do (striking) or is something I would like to see happen etc
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Marinakis Red - 25-07-2020
(25-07-2020, 12:09 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't know if there is anything in this at the moment but the Spaniard and ex Olympiakos manager Michel has resigned from his job in Mexico. Could be just a coincidence.
I hope not his managerial record is horrendous.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 25-07-2020
(25-07-2020, 03:29 PM)Karanka red Wrote:(25-07-2020, 12:09 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't know if there is anything in this at the moment but the Spaniard and ex Olympiakos manager Michel has resigned from his job in Mexico. Could be just a coincidence.
I hope not his managerial record is horrendous.
It's not great is it?
Ironically the one place where he did brillantly was Olympiakos.
It's probably just a coincidence but I thought I would put it out there.
RE: I Think Sabri Has Left The Building - Marinakis Red - 25-07-2020
(25-07-2020, 03:32 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(25-07-2020, 03:29 PM)Karanka red Wrote:(25-07-2020, 12:09 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't know if there is anything in this at the moment but the Spaniard and ex Olympiakos manager Michel has resigned from his job in Mexico. Could be just a coincidence.
I hope not his managerial record is horrendous.
It's not great is it?
Ironically the one place where he did brilliantly was Olympiakos.
It's probably just a coincidence but I thought I would put it out there.
It seems he falls out with people quite a bit and always a short stint, ironically oly was his longest stretch as a manager and got sacked half way through a season