(08-11-2022, 10:18 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:12 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:06 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 09:54 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 07:52 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: That wasn't him though it was the Pozzo family.

Ahh..thats convenient. So if Cooper is sacked then we know its down to Giraldi because of course unlike the Pozzos, our owners dont get involved on the football side.

Watford have continued to hire and fire managers since he left.

I know Pap, its in the DNA there clearly.
Of course the argument goes that they have spent 6 of the last 8 seasons in the Premier League which for a club of that size is very impressive.
Im just not sure if their success is because of their owners or in spite of them.

Got to be because of them. If the ownership's not right then nothing decent generally follows. I'm not sure a club with a larger fan base would put up with the constant flow of managers though so if thats the way they want to operate then they own the right type of club.

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

(08-11-2022, 11:21 AM)northeastred Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

Him or todesco for me.. or maybe Sebastián Battaglia he's just as impressive as gallardo

(08-11-2022, 11:26 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:21 AM)northeastred Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

Him or todesco for me.. or maybe Sebastián Battaglia he's just as impressive as gallardo

Yes there are some good options available if we look beyond the obvious ones.

(08-11-2022, 11:35 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:26 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:21 AM)northeastred Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

Him or todesco for me.. or maybe Sebastián Battaglia he's just as impressive as gallardo

Yes there are some good options available if we look beyond the obvious ones.

If these options are so good, why are they not being snapped up by the myriad of other teams changing manager? And also if they're that good why would they want to come and manage a team that's likely to go down?

(08-11-2022, 01:50 PM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:35 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:26 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:21 AM)northeastred Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:38 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I know we have a manager/coach and long may that continue as it would indicate that things are going well and that we are getting results.

However IF a vacancy was to become available then I personally would have this man (who will be available soon) right at the top of my wish list.

Marcelo Daniel Gallardo.

Him or todesco for me.. or maybe Sebastián Battaglia he's just as impressive as gallardo

Yes there are some good options available if we look beyond the obvious ones.

If these options are so good, why are they not being snapped up by the myriad of other teams changing manager? And also if they're that good why would they want to come and manage a team that's likely to go down?

That is like saying if cooper is that good then why is the team he is managing likely to go down. Or if Cooper is that good how come nobody else snapped him up when he left Swansea.

But a closer look and some research will reveal that Todescou, Battaaglia, Gallardo and Cooper all have very good reasons why they are rated highly.

(08-11-2022, 10:47 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:18 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:12 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:06 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 09:54 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Ahh..thats convenient. So if Cooper is sacked then we know its down to Giraldi because of course unlike the Pozzos, our owners dont get involved on the football side.

Watford have continued to hire and fire managers since he left.

I know Pap, its in the DNA there clearly.
Of course the argument goes that they have spent 6 of the last 8 seasons in the Premier League which for a club of that size is very impressive.
Im just not sure if their success is because of their owners or in spite of them.

Got to be because of them. If the ownership's not right then nothing decent generally follows. I'm not sure a club with a larger fan base would put up with the constant flow of managers though so if thats the way they want to operate then they own the right type of club.

Doesn't mean Giraldi wasn't also culpable too, he was still involved in all the decisions. Surely if he disagreed that much he'd have left way sooner. Or alternatively he had no power and therefore you can't give him much credit for what happened at Watford as it was all the owners? Can't pick and choose which parts were him and which were the owners to make him look good surely.

(08-11-2022, 02:56 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 01:50 PM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:35 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:26 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:21 AM)northeastred Wrote: Him or todesco for me.. or maybe Sebastián Battaglia he's just as impressive as gallardo

Yes there are some good options available if we look beyond the obvious ones.

If these options are so good, why are they not being snapped up by the myriad of other teams changing manager? And also if they're that good why would they want to come and manage a team that's likely to go down?

That is like saying if cooper is that good then why is the team he is managing likely to go down. Or if Cooper is that good how come nobody else snapped him up when he left Swansea.

But a closer look and some research will reveal that Todescou, Battaaglia, Gallardo and Cooper all have very good reasons why they are rated highly.

Because the team he is managing is worse than the others around him. I imagine there's quite a few championship clubs that wish they did snap him up based on what he did last year and I'm sure he'd of found another job if he didn't take ours pretty quickly due to his success at Swansea.

Doesn't really explain why no-one else has moved for these other guys yet though? Or why they would be suitable for a team that's likely to get relegated? Or why they'd be willing to move to Forest if they have so many other willing suiters?

My point is simply as with our transfer business we're going to struggle to attract a manager that's particularly highly rated or high profile. Meaning we're targetting managers that have recently failed, have been out of work for a while, are from lower leagues or rolling the dice on a foreign manager with likely no experience in the Premier League or possibly even outside their own country. those are our options right now.

(08-11-2022, 03:03 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:47 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:18 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:12 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 10:06 AM)Paplane Wrote: Watford have continued to hire and fire managers since he left.

I know Pap, its in the DNA there clearly.
Of course the argument goes that they have spent 6 of the last 8 seasons in the Premier League which for a club of that size is very impressive.
Im just not sure if their success is because of their owners or in spite of them.

Got to be because of them. If the ownership's not right then nothing decent generally follows. I'm not sure a club with a larger fan base would put up with the constant flow of managers though so if thats the way they want to operate then they own the right type of club.

Doesn't mean Giraldi wasn't also culpable too, he was still involved in all the decisions. Surely if he disagreed that much he'd have left way sooner. Or alternatively he had no power and therefore you can't give him much credit for what happened at Watford as it was all the owners? Can't pick and choose which parts were him and which were the owners to make him look good surely.

Im not saying he's good or bad Wassy. I'm just saying that Watford appear to continue to be a basket case even after he's left. If we sign some players, who subsequently turn out to be good, then I'll applaud him. He he signs good players who turn out to be bad (like this season) then I'll be critising him. Same approach as I take with Cooper. He does things that I disagree with and some things I approve of.

One thing you can say of Giraldi, he's clearly had a good look at Cooper before jumping in and doing something drastic.

(08-11-2022, 03:09 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 02:56 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 01:50 PM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:35 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(08-11-2022, 11:26 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: Yes there are some good options available if we look beyond the obvious ones.

If these options are so good, why are they not being snapped up by the myriad of other teams changing manager? And also if they're that good why would they want to come and manage a team that's likely to go down?

That is like saying if cooper is that good then why is the team he is managing likely to go down. Or if Cooper is that good how come nobody else snapped him up when he left Swansea.

But a closer look and some research will reveal that Todescou, Battaaglia, Gallardo and Cooper all have very good reasons why they are rated highly.

Because the team he is managing is worse than the others around him. I imagine there's quite a few championship clubs that wish they did snap him up based on what he did last year and I'm sure he'd of found another job if he didn't take ours pretty quickly due to his success at Swansea.

Doesn't really explain why no-one else has moved for these other guys yet though? Or why they would be suitable for a team that's likely to get relegated? Or why they'd be willing to move to Forest if they have so many other willing suiters?

My point is simply as with our transfer business we're going to struggle to attract a manager that's particularly highly rated or high profile. Meaning we're targetting managers that have recently failed, have been out of work for a while, are from lower leagues or rolling the dice on a foreign manager with likely no experience in the Premier League or possibly even outside their own country. those are our options right now.

 I think id prefer to stick with Cooper rather than go down the route of an untried foreign based manager. Especially a foreign manager who has not even managed in Europe. Not being xenophobic or anything, Onjust think we need some stability and experience. And are these top foreign managers going to be interested in us when we go down? I doubt it.