(16-09-2018, 09:17 AM)Sunny Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:47 AM)NG3 Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:28 AM)Sunny Wrote: It’s irrelevant in the sense that a new team has been brought in over the summer.

& a new one was bought last summer, & last January, & next January. That's sadly how modern football works. Leeds are currently top of the table with 10 new players & a new manager, & last season wolves were up there with 23 signings & a new manager.

Every team signs players, but it doesn't negate, nor make irrelevant Karanka's past form & results, especially when they are consistent with the current seasons.

Quote:Whether we’d won every game or lost every game last season doesn’t have a bearing on how this new team will perform.

No but would have a bearing on the managers abilities, which is what is being discussed.

You are just attempting to dismiss an inconvenient truth.

You realise that even if you dismiss that truth that in the real world it doesn't actually change anything?

The board is no more, or less likely to keep, or dismiss Karanka because you've chosen to ignore results & performances from last season, especially with regards to performances where we saw clear indications of tactics & formations, consistent with this seasons & the performances & results they have so far produced.

I’m giving my opinion. I thought that was the purpose of a forum.

The draw at Swansea was a good result in my opinion and so I don’t see it hastening a change of manager. It makes little difference to me who the manager is so long as the team clicks in the next couple of months and begins to rise up the table.

(16-09-2018, 09:25 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 09:17 AM)Sunny Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:47 AM)NG3 Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:28 AM)Sunny Wrote: It’s irrelevant in the sense that a new team has been brought in over the summer.

& a new one was bought last summer, & last January, & next January. That's sadly how modern football works. Leeds are currently top of the table with 10 new players & a new manager, & last season wolves were up there with 23 signings & a new manager.

Every team signs players, but it doesn't negate, nor make irrelevant Karanka's past form & results, especially when they are consistent with the current seasons.

Quote:Whether we’d won every game or lost every game last season doesn’t have a bearing on how this new team will perform.

No but would have a bearing on the managers abilities, which is what is being discussed.

You are just attempting to dismiss an inconvenient truth.

You realise that even if you dismiss that truth that in the real world it doesn't actually change anything?

The board is no more, or less likely to keep, or dismiss Karanka because you've chosen to ignore results & performances from last season, especially with regards to performances where we saw clear indications of tactics & formations, consistent with this seasons & the performances & results they have so far produced.

I’m giving my opinion. I thought that was the purpose of a forum.

The draw at Swansea was a good result in my opinion and so I don’t see it hastening a change of manager. It makes little difference to me who the manager is so long as the team clicks in the next couple of months and begins to rise up the table.

A draw at Swansea is a good result.

Forest looked a better 'team.'

I saw progress in that performance.  Still not even ten games in.  But we could  do with a win as results went for us .   A win could get Forest in the top 8-10.

SA.

(16-09-2018, 01:07 AM)Sunny Wrote: Last season is largely irrelevant. EM was happy to invest in AK for this season so it’s 7 games (and 2 successful cup games). Our away form is pretty good. He needs to get more wins at home, starting on Wednesday.

(16-09-2018, 10:10 AM)Supa Billy Davies Wrote: AK has to be given the season. No manager is ever going to get us anywhere unless they are given a bit of real time here.

(16-09-2018, 10:07 AM)Duncan Mckenzie Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:07 AM)Sunny Wrote: Last season is largely irrelevant. EM was happy to invest in AK for this season so it’s 7 games (and 2 successful cup games). Our away form is pretty good. He needs to get more wins at home, starting on Wednesday.

We haven't won away for 10 games.

I would say that our away form is pretty poor.

(16-09-2018, 10:07 AM)Duncan Mckenzie Wrote:

(16-09-2018, 01:07 AM)Sunny Wrote: Last season is largely irrelevant. EM was happy to invest in AK for this season so it’s 7 games (and 2 successful cup games). Our away form is pretty good. He needs to get more wins at home, starting on Wednesday.

We haven't won away for 10 games.

I would say that our away form is pretty poor.

(15-09-2018, 11:42 PM)NG3 Wrote:

(15-09-2018, 11:15 PM)Username Wrote: I think if he goes soon the whole place will become toxic.

Looking at the scenario above (which I DON'T think will happen), if we couldn't beat either Rotherham or the Wendies at our place, nor Blackburn, if we'd then gone 33 games under Karanka, amassing a mere 36 points, borderline relegation form for the equivalent of 3/4 of a season, 10 games in to this season, sitting in the relegation zone, on 11 points or less, knowing we'd have to hit autos form for the rest of the season to even hope to look at the top 6, knowing we'd spent such a significant amount, to secure no tangible progress, & by then having seen only 3 wins in the previous 21 fixtures, the majority of the rest being negative, dour & uninspiring displays that included our longest goal drought ever, then I suggest whilst there might not by a line of people wanting to see us return to the managerial merry-go-round, I also think there would be a large level of understanding & a sense of inevitability & outside of a few, disappointed by the outcome, there would not actually be much toxicity.

If he'd had no time, been winning a lot, playing attractive football, suffered a freak injury crisis, we were broke & living off kids, or there were legitimate mitigation I could see more toxicity, but this would be a purely results based one & we can all see the results.

However this should all be hypothetical as we can surely beat at least one of the next 3, shouldn't we?

My money says we can get a result here.

Time Will tell.