(02-08-2021, 07:32 PM)stirred Wrote: Mighten was getting regular minutes, and had just had his first start, before Hughton arrived, and had looked decent. Better than what else we had.
Hughton relegated him to not playing in favour of more experienced players who didn't perform. Not a minute for 12 matches.

Mbe Soh started Sabri's last 2 matches then nothing for 14 matches under Hughton, while the more experienced Figuieredo gave a goal away on a regular basis. In fact Mbe Soh only got a look in because Figs served a suspension, and was quickly out again.

Garner would never have been here if it was up to Hughton. He wanted Gosling, another guy on big wages past his best to go with Knockaert & Murphy. We only got Garner 'cos Gosling turned us down.

His previous record with youth, see Brighton, was nothing short of appalling.

Great that we now have a team in place to plan our transfers, including signing promising young players, but inconsistent with Hughton.

And the next big part of the puzzle is how we get them to play. But again, what has been suggested by Dane Murphy, and what the fans want to watch, is inconsistent with Hughton.

It seems obvious what we need to do. Must we waste time?

(02-08-2021, 07:32 PM)stirred Wrote: Mighten was getting regular minutes, and had just had his first start, before Hughton arrived, and had looked decent. Better than what else we had.
Hughton relegated him to not playing in favour of more experienced players who didn't perform. Not a minute for 12 matches.

Mbe Soh started Sabri's last 2 matches then nothing for 14 matches under Hughton, while the more experienced Figuieredo gave a goal away on a regular basis. In fact Mbe Soh only got a look in because Figs served a suspension, and was quickly out again.

Garner would never have been here if it was up to Hughton. He wanted Gosling, another guy on big wages past his best to go with Knockaert & Murphy. We only got Garner 'cos Gosling turned us down.

His previous record with youth, see Brighton, was nothing short of appalling.

Great that we now have a team in place to plan our transfers, including signing promising young players, but inconsistent with Hughton.

And the next big part of the puzzle is how we get them to play. But again, what has been suggested by Dane Murphy, and what the fans want to watch, is inconsistent with Hughton.

It seems obvious what we need to do. Must we waste time?

(02-08-2021, 07:58 PM)TheGreenMan Wrote:

(02-08-2021, 07:32 PM)stirred Wrote: Mighten was getting regular minutes, and had just had his first start, before Hughton arrived, and had looked decent. Better than what else we had.
Hughton relegated him to not playing in favour of more experienced players who didn't perform. Not a minute for 12 matches.

Mbe Soh started Sabri's last 2 matches then nothing for 14 matches under Hughton, while the more experienced Figuieredo gave a goal away on a regular basis. In fact Mbe Soh only got a look in because Figs served a suspension, and was quickly out again.

Garner would never have been here if it was up to Hughton. He wanted Gosling, another guy on big wages past his best to go with Knockaert & Murphy. We only got Garner 'cos Gosling turned us down.

His previous record with youth, see Brighton, was nothing short of appalling.

Great that we now have a team in place to plan our transfers, including signing promising young players, but inconsistent with Hughton.

And the next big part of the puzzle is how we get them to play. But again, what has been suggested by Dane Murphy, and what the fans want to watch, is inconsistent with Hughton.

It seems obvious what we need to do. Must we waste time?

Should have just done it at the end of last season….Now we’ve got to endure more crap, unimaginative, try not to concede first football…

(02-08-2021, 08:30 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: I am surprised there are so many anti CH on here.

(02-08-2021, 08:38 PM)SSM Wrote:

(02-08-2021, 08:30 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: I am surprised there are so many anti CH on here.

I don't look at pro or anti Hughton.

But the whole club needs to be on the same page.  There needs to be a collective movement.  Every single decision needs to be made with the focus of the club's identity at the heart of the decision. 

With the appointments of Murphy, Syrianos, Brass & Brazil's greater involvement there is obviously a deliberate intention to shift the dynamic at the club.  I totally support and endorse this.  I think Murphy's ethos is entirely in line with what modern football demands.

What I see is all of those appointments and then a manager which just doesn't align with it.

Hughton is an old school manager.  Hard to beat, organised, structured and reliable.  He doesn't like risks, he doesn't want to take chances on people he doesn't know can do it.  He wants pedigree.  

The others above him are totally at odds with that notion.

I just don't see how it can profit the club.  Mighten scored a goal, got criticised by Hughton post match and then dropped.  He doesn't like using youth.  He gave Brighton academy grads something like 16 minutes in his whole time there.

We can't keep going for these 'proven' players.  If it was down to Hughton he'd have more Knockaert's.  We need more Mighten's.  It's the way the game is going and we're already miles behind, we need to catch up.

It's not going to end well here for Hughton, the writing is absolutely on the wall.

(02-08-2021, 07:40 PM)SSM Wrote:

(02-08-2021, 07:32 PM)stirred Wrote: Mighten was getting regular minutes, and had just had his first start, before Hughton arrived, and had looked decent. Better than what else we had.
Hughton relegated him to not playing in favour of more experienced players who didn't perform. Not a minute for 12 matches.

Mbe Soh started Sabri's last 2 matches then nothing for 14 matches under Hughton, while the more experienced Figuieredo gave a goal away on a regular basis. In fact Mbe Soh only got a look in because Figs served a suspension, and was quickly out again.

Garner would never have been here if it was up to Hughton. He wanted Gosling, another guy on big wages past his best to go with Knockaert & Murphy. We only got Garner 'cos Gosling turned us down.

His previous record with youth, see Brighton, was nothing short of appalling.

Great that we now have a team in place to plan our transfers, including signing promising young players, but inconsistent with Hughton.

And the next big part of the puzzle is how we get them to play. But again, what has been suggested by Dane Murphy, and what the fans want to watch, is inconsistent with Hughton.

It seems obvious what we need to do. Must we waste time?

Totally agree.  He just seems to not want to use younger players.

He described Joe Worrall as a 'young player' and he's 25 in Jan.

(02-08-2021, 08:45 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: I disagree. He is adaptable and that is misleading regarding Brighton academy.
Lewis dunk, dale stephens became established under him - he built a promotion winning side on a budget within ffp and he did wonders at Newcastle and Birmingham City. I think last year was awful and I understand peoples views on that evidence. (Evidence based on Sabri and Ventroz recruitment.  No preseason.  No recruitment before January. Forest's season was torpedoed before Hughton arrived.)
Hughton has been instrumental in the restructuring- I wouldn’t be surprised if he stayed on as a DOF after this year with Reid or Trollope stepping up.