(19-08-2021, 11:46 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:15 AM)Widdow Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:10 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:08 AM)Widdow Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:02 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Yeah we get it, he's doing S**t. 

The idea that changing manager is somehow going to miraculously fix things unless we also brought in a load of new players though is the problem.

We only have half a team and that includes the likes of Yates who really shouldn't be in on merit right now.

Hughton making records as statistically one of our worst managers since Mr Megson. I do understand stability, and that’s what we have with Hughton, but that means relegation battle. We cannot stick with a manager, just cos he has two promotions on his CV (so did Megson) A new manager needs to be appointed as soon as possible and it needs to be a manager, with a better football philosophy, better man management to get the best out of the players we have, someone  we can all just get behind.

I'm not even talking about stability, simply that it's irrelevant as we have no players. Do you honestly think someone else would be doing any different with the exact same team? Do you think they'd even play a different team?

You have never seen a new manager come in and make a massive difference with the same players. 

What about Valerian with Barnsley last season who around bottom after 7 games and no window to bring players in

Look what he is doing at Relegated West Brom (even against another relegated club)

Yes, that's not what I asked. Do you think right now a new manager, with the exact same patchwork squad would come in and transform this team? With no left back, central midfield or decent strikers? And half the defence injured or suspended.

(19-08-2021, 11:32 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:08 AM)Widdow Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:02 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 10:57 AM)Widdow Wrote: There you go, win rate now 25% and also points gained

Yeah we get it, he's doing S**t. 

The idea that changing manager is somehow going to miraculously fix things unless we also brought in a load of new players though is the problem.

We only have half a team and that includes the likes of Yates who really shouldn't be in on merit right now.

Hughton making records as statistically one of our worst managers since Mr Megson. I do understand stability, and that’s what we have with Hughton, but that means relegation battle. We cannot stick with a manager, just cos he has two promotions on his CV (so did Megson) A new manager needs to be appointed as soon as possible and it needs to be a manager, with a better football philosophy, better man management to get the best out of the players we have, someone  we can all just get behind.

The same utter non-sense which is used to start again and again.  And such short sighted and self serving stats aren't balanced against our new CEO's recruitment record over this very Summer.  Or last year.

Again.  How many permanent signings has Hughton made over two Summers, Widdow?  Does that stat not conveniently fit into your empty stat?

Hughton's recruit, with recruitment (see his status at Brighton and Newcastle which you are carefully avoiding) is in another universe to Gary Megson's time.

SA.

(19-08-2021, 12:25 PM)Shawoddyred Wrote: Clearly it's somewhere in between where both sides of this argument are sat. Chris could definitely get better out of the players he has at his disposal but the recruitment has been poor.

For what it's worth, I think had Worral and/or Soh not got injured, we would not have lost all 3 games. Not saying we'd be sat on 9 points, but there would be something on the points table.

(19-08-2021, 12:06 PM)Widdow Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:46 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:15 AM)Widdow Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:10 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 11:08 AM)Widdow Wrote: Hughton making records as statistically one of our worst managers since Mr Megson. I do understand stability, and that’s what we have with Hughton, but that means relegation battle. We cannot stick with a manager, just cos he has two promotions on his CV (so did Megson) A new manager needs to be appointed as soon as possible and it needs to be a manager, with a better football philosophy, better man management to get the best out of the players we have, someone  we can all just get behind.

I'm not even talking about stability, simply that it's irrelevant as we have no players. Do you honestly think someone else would be doing any different with the exact same team? Do you think they'd even play a different team?

You have never seen a new manager come in and make a massive difference with the same players. 

What about Valerian with Barnsley last season who around bottom after 7 games and no window to bring players in

Look what he is doing at Relegated West Brom (even against another relegated club)

Yes, that's not what I asked. Do you think right now a new manager, with the exact same patchwork squad would come in and transform this team? With no left back, central midfield or decent strikers? And half the defence injured or suspended.

Basically you’re saying Hughton cannot get the best out of what he has got 

Perhaps someone else should be given the opportunity then

(19-08-2021, 01:37 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: I think Hughton is getting the best out of what we've got.

And that is 'nothing' plus Zinc Man.

SA.

(19-08-2021, 01:37 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: I think Hughton is getting the best out of what we've got.

And that is 'nothing' plus Zinc Man.

SA.

(19-08-2021, 09:45 PM)Redreg Wrote: Steve Cooper and John Terry at the Ground Last Night any truth in these too ? Steve cooper would be a Good appointment always liked the way his Swansea teams played good ideas can change formations and got a plan B