(15-09-2021, 09:54 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:50 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:42 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:35 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:32 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I know everyone is going to S**t all over the manager again as ever but maybe spare a thought for this shambles of a group of players 

No strikers, centre midfield was awful, centre back at RB, untouchable worrall at fault for first goal. Brennan looked good and Lowe has looked alright but otherwise this has been yet another crap performance. 

I can't see how a new manager can get a different tune out of these same players. For everyone that's so desperate to see a change in manager, I think you're asking for the wrong thing.

Disagree. This manager is getting the absolute worst out of this group of players, destroyed the confidence, instilled fear and negativity, it's been evident all night and it's been evident all season. They need someone to build them back up. Might not be the best squad we've ever had but it's far from the worst. 

Hughton doesn't deserve any more chances, he didn't deserve any more weeks ago. Absolutely pathetic.

OK so the players don't have minds of their own do they? The manager is controlling them with a controller?

Yeah you're right let's let these poor innocent players off Scott free because big bad Mr hughton has been mean to them. They've got a tough life, tough job so they're exempt from criticism. Let's just blame the bloke that stands on the side and watches and claps his hands every now and again.

This isn't a defence of Hughton btw, just a criticism of how bad this team.

So sorry what has this team shown that makes you think they're better than this?

Of course they have their own minds and I'm not letting them off at all, I didn't say we should be flying did I?

I personally don't believe the team is relegation standard that's just based on watching football and I also believe we need someone to get a bit of confidence back into these players and quickly. What I do know is the manager is very, very lucky he still has a job, those before him haven't been anywhere near as lucky or as poor.

I just get sick of the players getting away without criticism and it's all directed towards the manager who in reality doesn't have that much influence

The fact that those before him were sacked prematurely does not mean this should apply to this manager. I don't believe he can turn this around but I don't believe anyone can turn this around because this team isn't close to being good enough.

(15-09-2021, 10:03 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:54 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:50 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:42 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:35 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote: Disagree. This manager is getting the absolute worst out of this group of players, destroyed the confidence, instilled fear and negativity, it's been evident all night and it's been evident all season. They need someone to build them back up. Might not be the best squad we've ever had but it's far from the worst. 

Hughton doesn't deserve any more chances, he didn't deserve any more weeks ago. Absolutely pathetic.

OK so the players don't have minds of their own do they? The manager is controlling them with a controller?

Yeah you're right let's let these poor innocent players off Scott free because big bad Mr hughton has been mean to them. They've got a tough life, tough job so they're exempt from criticism. Let's just blame the bloke that stands on the side and watches and claps his hands every now and again.

This isn't a defence of Hughton btw, just a criticism of how bad this team.

So sorry what has this team shown that makes you think they're better than this?

Of course they have their own minds and I'm not letting them off at all, I didn't say we should be flying did I?

I personally don't believe the team is relegation standard that's just based on watching football and I also believe we need someone to get a bit of confidence back into these players and quickly. What I do know is the manager is very, very lucky he still has a job, those before him haven't been anywhere near as lucky or as poor.

I just get sick of the players getting away without criticism and it's all directed towards the manager who in reality doesn't have that much influence

The fact that those before him were sacked prematurely does not mean this should apply to this manager. I don't believe he can turn this around but I don't believe anyone can turn this around because this team isn't close to being good enough.

Well as I say I disagree, I think it'll be tough but I think the right manager gets a tune out of this lot. There's some good young players, let them play unshackled, let them gain confidence, let Worrall and McKenna lead, we can turn this round but for me it's crucial Dane gets his man, the right man to lead his vision.

(15-09-2021, 10:00 PM)Colnago Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 09:56 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote: Game over.

Doesn’t say wether he left or got sacked

(15-09-2021, 10:01 PM)Plymouth red Wrote: Problem is that at the moment a new manager is the only thing we can change. I feel sorry for hughton in that he has been seriously let down on recruitment but we can't do anything about that now.

This is the squad until january and at the moment there has been zero progress on the pitch this season

Is anyone suggesting that we stick with hughton until the next window?

At this moment, something needs to change and the only thing that can be realistically is the manager.

Whether that will work - who knows. But another 15-16 games of this and we will be all but relegated by christmas regardless of how many point deductions derby get.

The manager has to go. That doesn't mean those in charge of the club get a pass - there needs to be serious reflection before january (and certainly before next summer regardless of the league we are in). For now Hughton is the scapegoat but i don't think he is blameless in this either - he has not improved this side at all over the last year.

(15-09-2021, 10:12 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: If CH has gone we need to ensure that the new man makes Worrall or McKenna captain as Grabban offers nothing in terms of leadership on the pitch!

(15-09-2021, 10:10 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 10:01 PM)Plymouth red Wrote: Problem is that at the moment a new manager is the only thing we can change. I feel sorry for hughton in that he has been seriously let down on recruitment but we can't do anything about that now.

This is the squad until january and at the moment there has been zero progress on the pitch this season

Is anyone suggesting that we stick with hughton until the next window?

At this moment, something needs to change and the only thing that can be realistically is the manager.

Whether that will work - who knows. But another 15-16 games of this and we will be all but relegated by christmas regardless of how many point deductions derby get.

The manager has to go. That doesn't mean those in charge of the club get a pass - there needs to be serious reflection before january (and certainly before next summer regardless of the league we are in). For now Hughton is the scapegoat but i don't think he is blameless in this either - he has not improved this side at all over the last year.

It's the kind of performance that gets managers the sack.  Not many managers survive this kind of run or such a lifeless performance.

Forest are on 'red alert.'  We've been here before.  A few times.

It starts at the top.

And Forest are leaking.

It has that kind of 'feel.'

SA.

(15-09-2021, 10:15 PM)Plymouth red Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 10:10 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-09-2021, 10:01 PM)Plymouth red Wrote: Problem is that at the moment a new manager is the only thing we can change. I feel sorry for hughton in that he has been seriously let down on recruitment but we can't do anything about that now.

This is the squad until january and at the moment there has been zero progress on the pitch this season

Is anyone suggesting that we stick with hughton until the next window?

At this moment, something needs to change and the only thing that can be realistically is the manager.

Whether that will work - who knows. But another 15-16 games of this and we will be all but relegated by christmas regardless of how many point deductions derby get.

The manager has to go. That doesn't mean those in charge of the club get a pass - there needs to be serious reflection before january (and certainly before next summer regardless of the league we are in). For now Hughton is the scapegoat but i don't think he is blameless in this either - he has not improved this side at all over the last year.

It's the kind of performance that gets managers the sack.  Not many managers survive this kind of run or such a lifeless performance.

Forest are on 'red alert.'  We've been here before.  A few times.

It starts at the top.

And Forest are leaking.

It has that kind of 'feel.'

SA.

Certainly feels like that 'we're serious about promotion season - was it kinnear and then megson. That season had a kind of slow death feel to it just like this does. 

Point is, they have got to get the next appointment right - fail and its curtains