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RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Alf Garnett - 30-09-2020
(29-09-2020, 09:58 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote: Seeing the Greeks get the most stick I've ever seen them get tonight on Twitter, a lot of people questioning their decisions, commitment to Forest and whether they have a real plan or not. Guess it'll only get worse when Silva is confirmed to Olympiacos too.
The twitter and facebook keyboard warriors hard at work.
They make me embarrassed to be a Forest fan sometimes with the crap they write.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Jacksbadhobbits - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 11:26 AM)Alf Garnett Wrote:(29-09-2020, 09:58 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote: Seeing the Greeks get the most stick I've ever seen them get tonight on Twitter, a lot of people questioning their decisions, commitment to Forest and whether they have a real plan or not. Guess it'll only get worse when Silva is confirmed to Olympiacos too.
The twitter and facebook keyboard warriors hard at work.
They make me embarrassed to be a Forest fan sometimes with the crap they write.
You would of thought Jao was a Forest legend they some of them are carrying on. The number of good games he had under 3 managers you can count on the fingers of one hand. Also the nonsense being spoken about Cafu. For one he hasn't signed for us yet and I wonder how many have seen him play. Can you Imagine the reaction if we were signing a carbon copy of Watson that most fans hadn't see. Old, slow, defensive midfielder, yet we are missing him more than Cash at the moment. For all we know Cafu might be a similar player to Watson.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Uwantlee - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 08:29 AM)Tricky Wrote:(30-09-2020, 08:22 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:(30-09-2020, 08:02 AM)Uwantlee Wrote:(30-09-2020, 07:34 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(30-09-2020, 06:50 AM)Redgirl Wrote: How on earth can anyone question their commitment, they have just signed some of the best players to grace our squad for many awhile. Once these players have bedded in and we have found a system that suits the team we will shoot up the league.
We’re only 3 games in for goodness sake, Whoever takes over from Sabri ( his days are clearly numbered sadly) will have inherited one of the best squads in the league.
Talk about biting off the hand that feeds you. The man is bankrolling us with very little income, show some common sense.
Well said Redgirl. Some sense at last.
I dont question the commitment of the owner but I do question priorities.
We have won 3 of the last 19. If this happened at olympiacos the manager would have been sacked... well before now. Why is it different for us? I am grateful for the work done by the ownership off the pitch and the funding of the signings... but it doesnt it right that we are in our current state and sabri gets to continue...
I could understand if it were just the 4 games this season.... but look at our form since january.
Either em needs to pull the trigger or someone working at the club should be being told to.
Sacking managers has been a massive failure for Nottingham Forest. It has weakened us leaving the club with drained resources, unbalanced squads, and increasingly lower league position. EM appointed Sabri last summer just before the season started. We finished 7th our highest position for 7 years. After lockdown the season didn't finish as we had hoped but they were unusual circumstances e.g. no crowds, lost of games in a short space of time. Consensus was we had a weaker squad than our rivals and over relied upon a few individuals who got injured or fatigued e.g. Lolley, Grabban. We have massively strengthened the squad but surely we need to give it some time to gel. Can you not see we are in desperate need if stability after the Fawaz years. In my opinion EM has been a massive improvement. I too don't get the criticism.
Excellent post! Fully agree with what you have said
Yes we need stability... but we are currently showing relegation for and have been since before lockdown.
This crap about no crowds and lots of games was the same for everyone. Yes our squad wasn't as good as leeds and fulham but are you telling me we were worse than barnsley and stoke to name a couple.
I would love to have a manager that was here long term... I still hope sabri can turn it around as he is still the one in charge. However, you cant change the stats. Relegation form. You could say we have 12 new players let them gel... he is still using the same tactics that have failed us since january... formation is irrelevant. I like sabri but, in current form, I want him gone. He shows no signs of changing or making us better or even approaching games differently... however, if he turns it round then great I'll happily admit to being wrong. Again, stats over time and not just 2 or 3 games show he is failing.
And on the subject of em... I do not aim criticism at him. I believe he has done wonders for us. My question was simply why, when current form would get most coaches in the world sacked and especially those in Greece, why is it allowed to continue here.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - ThePromisedLand - 30-09-2020
^ agree with that summation Uwantlee ^
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 30-09-2020
Don't worry mate it won't continue much longer if results don't change.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - ThePromisedLand - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 01:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't worry mate it won't continue much longer if results don't change.
We all hope for 3 points on Saturday - and a new start under Sabri.
I just can’t see it.
Truly hope I’m proved wrong.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 01:25 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:(30-09-2020, 01:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't worry mate it won't continue much longer if results don't change.
We all hope for 3 points on Saturday - and a new start under Sabri.
I just can’t see it.
Truly hope I’m proved wrong.
Agreed TPL.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Username - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 01:25 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:(30-09-2020, 01:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Don't worry mate it won't continue much longer if results don't change.
We all hope for 3 points on Saturday - and a new start under Sabri.
I just can’t see it.
Truly hope I’m proved wrong.
I think a draw on Saturday will be a decent result.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - wassy04 - 30-09-2020
I think you could find a myriad of posts in this forum, criticising the amount of foreign signings, a lack of backing in the market, a lack of squad depth, a lack of quality and a willingness to sack managers too soon.
Literally have done the opposite to all of those things in this window and have been criticised for all of them. You just can't win can you?
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Uwantlee - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 04:03 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I think you could find a myriad of posts in this forum, criticising the amount of foreign signings, a lack of backing in the market, a lack of squad depth, a lack of quality and a willingness to sack managers too soon.
Literally have done the opposite to all of those things in this window and have been criticised for all of them. You just can't win can you?
Time and place tho.... this is the first time in years we had a squad challenging for promotion....the response over the summer... to sign a whole new team.
We all wanted stability with karanka and o'Neil... could definitely see the improvement under karanka... the response is to back a manager under a terrible terrible run of form who had given us out worst start in half a century.
Just feels a little backwards and maybe done because it's what fans have wanted in the past.
I appreciate we have got some good championship players in this summer. I still say and will stand by the fact we didnt need 12 plus signings. On top of that we have some 30plus year olds on big contracts and are looking at a 32 year old winger. Our midfield is aging now and our strikers are already isolated.
I appreciate sabri got us to 7th... he should have been sacked after stoke but we were all willing to see if he had learnt and changed his approach.
God this club is frustrating sometimes.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Jean_claude_killy - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 04:27 PM)Uwantlee Wrote:(30-09-2020, 04:03 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I think you could find a myriad of posts in this forum, criticising the amount of foreign signings, a lack of backing in the market, a lack of squad depth, a lack of quality and a willingness to sack managers too soon.
Literally have done the opposite to all of those things in this window and have been criticised for all of them. You just can't win can you?
Time and place tho.... this is the first time in years we had a squad challenging for promotion....the response over the summer... to sign a whole new team.
We all wanted stability with karanka and o'Neil... could definitely see the improvement under karanka... the response is to back a manager under a terrible terrible run of form who had given us out worst start in half a century.
Just feels a little backwards and maybe done because it's what fans have wanted in the past.
I appreciate we have got some good championship players in this summer. I still say and will stand by the fact we didnt need 12 plus signings. On top of that we have some 30plus year olds on big contracts and are looking at a 32 year old winger. Our midfield is aging now and our strikers are already isolated.
I appreciate sabri got us to 7th... he should have been sacked after stoke but we were all willing to see if he had learnt and changed his approach.
God this club is frustrating sometimes.
It may well be our worst start in half a century but it is 3 games when all said and done; I can vividly remember Frank Clark losing 6 out of his first 14 league games and still getting promotion.
Granted, he did have some chap called Collymore playing for him, along with a number of other new players, but everyone kept their nerve and the team eventually gelled.
This is the best group of players we have had in many a year; they also need time to gel.
RE: Evangelos Marinakis And Co - Uwantlee - 30-09-2020
(30-09-2020, 04:36 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote:That's my point... it's not 3 games is it... 3 wins in 19. Relegation for since beating Blackburn in january.(30-09-2020, 04:27 PM)Uwantlee Wrote:(30-09-2020, 04:03 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I think you could find a myriad of posts in this forum, criticising the amount of foreign signings, a lack of backing in the market, a lack of squad depth, a lack of quality and a willingness to sack managers too soon.
Literally have done the opposite to all of those things in this window and have been criticised for all of them. You just can't win can you?
Time and place tho.... this is the first time in years we had a squad challenging for promotion....the response over the summer... to sign a whole new team.
We all wanted stability with karanka and o'Neil... could definitely see the improvement under karanka... the response is to back a manager under a terrible terrible run of form who had given us out worst start in half a century.
Just feels a little backwards and maybe done because it's what fans have wanted in the past.
I appreciate we have got some good championship players in this summer. I still say and will stand by the fact we didnt need 12 plus signings. On top of that we have some 30plus year olds on big contracts and are looking at a 32 year old winger. Our midfield is aging now and our strikers are already isolated.
I appreciate sabri got us to 7th... he should have been sacked after stoke but we were all willing to see if he had learnt and changed his approach.
God this club is frustrating sometimes.
It may well be our worst start in half a century but it is 3 games when all said and done; I can vividly remember Frank Clark losing 6 out of his first 14 league games and still getting promotion.
Granted, he did have some chap called Collymore playing for him, along with a number of other new players, but everyone kept their nerve and the team eventually gelled.
This is the best group of players we have had in many a year; they also need time to gel.
People keep coming back to this 3 game thing. Our form has been poor for 9 months. Our performances, in general, poor for longer. Yes we finished 7th... but how many times did we come away from a game saying it's the sign of a good team to play bad or poor and win. Under sabri our performances have generally been poor with a few exceptions. It's just that now performances are matching results.
No doubt you will say it takes time to gel all the new signings... that may well be true but again my point was, despite having our best finish in a decade we decided to sign a whole new team.
On top of that, playing the tactics we play, we will struggle regardless of playing staff.
We have done the right thing at the wrong time IMO.
If we had given karanka or o'Neil or even warbs this support and this squad as well as giving him time.... I believe we would have been in a better place.