+- COYR NOTTINGHAM FOREST FORUM (https://coyrforestforum.co.uk)
+-- Forum: NOTTINGHAM FOREST - A REBEL CLUB IN A REBEL CITY (https://coyrforestforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=6)
+--- Forum: Nottingham Forest Fan Talk - Forest All Over The World (https://coyrforestforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=7)
+--- Thread: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager (/showthread.php?tid=5)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Salvatore Matrecano - 27-12-2018
(27-12-2018, 12:11 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Forest boffin posted somewhere the stats on promotion and time in the job. Made for very interesting reading...
Here you go, copied from Forest Boffin.
1. The average time for a manager to gain promotion from The Championship is 686.5 days.
Karanka is not even half way into this. It takes time to build for promotion. Changing the manager restarts this clock.
2. 42 managers have won promotion from The Championship (modern); 37/42 have had at least 1 full campaign (88.1%).
Changing manager in The Championship mid-season damages the chance of promotion in that campaign.
3. The last 9 full time managers at Forest (not including Karanka) have not been given a full campaign.
This instability coincides with our poorest spell of results.
Regularly changing manager has not improved results.
4. The last time a Forest manager was allowed either a full campaign, or the average time needed for promotion (686.5 days), Forest finished in the play-offs.
We have not done so since.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Strawberry Avenger - 27-12-2018
(27-12-2018, 09:08 PM)It Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(27-12-2018, 12:11 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Forest boffin posted somewhere the stats on promotion and time in the job. Made for very interesting reading...
Here you go, copied from Forest Boffin.
1. The average time for a manager to gain promotion from The Championship is 686.5 days.
Karanka is not even half way into this. It takes time to build for promotion. Changing the manager restarts this clock.
2. 42 managers have won promotion from The Championship (modern); 37/42 have had at least 1 full campaign (88.1%).
Changing manager in The Championship mid-season damages the chance of promotion in that campaign.
3. The last 9 full time managers at Forest (not including Karanka) have not been given a full campaign.
This instability coincides with our poorest spell of results.
Regularly changing manager has not improved results.
4. The last time a Forest manager was allowed either a full campaign, or the average time needed for promotion (686. 5 days), Forest finished in the play-offs.
We have not done so since.
Amen. :angel:
SA.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - the jock - 27-12-2018
We have been in this position so many times before can we please just give a man faith for once it's never worked sacking.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - RedMW - 27-12-2018
Playing Devils advocate as I personally don't want to get rid of Karanka but.....
If you have the opportunity to upgrade on a player you take it but why wouldn't you do the same upgrade with a manager i.e Jardim over Karanka.
Obviously this is upgrade "on paper" talk and assuming the new manager hits the ground running. Jardim has been talked about taking over some of the biggest teams in the world
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - ThePromisedLand - 27-12-2018
How do we know Jardim would be an upgrade?
What does he know about the championship?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Jacksbadhobbits - 27-12-2018
(27-12-2018, 06:55 PM)Duncan Mckenzie Wrote:When?(27-12-2018, 06:31 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:(27-12-2018, 06:26 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: Honour his contract - in full!
If we stick with him...we'll get promoted.
SA.
I agree.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Kylos247 - 28-12-2018
What does bielsa know about the championship?
Need i say more..
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Sausage Roll - 28-12-2018
What did Karanka know about the Championship at Boro? Or Jokanovic at Watford? Or Wagner at Huddersfield? Or Farke at Norwich?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Username - 28-12-2018
How long has it taken Farke to get Norwich to where they are?
Huddersfield got promoted on something like a -1 goal difference?
Did Jokanovic get Watford promoted?
All those examples indicate to stick with Aitor.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Sausage Roll - 28-12-2018
Not saying we shouldn't. Just making the point that the 'What does manager x know about the Championship' argument doesn't always stand up.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - HykehamRed - 28-12-2018
Here’s what any prospective manager needs to know about the Championship:
1. It’s a bloody hard league, and anyone can beat anyone.
2. Games come thick and fast and you’re expected to win every one of them.
3. There’s usually 18 odd teams that want promotion at any point if the season.
4. Don’t rely on the referees to make the correct decision.
5. Sky tv messes up your schedule.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - the jock - 28-12-2018
we cant keep sacking. its just putting us further back every single time. martin o'neill would be a big backwards step his football for ireland was atrocious.