(05-10-2020, 12:58 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 10:01 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 09:45 AM)zicorice Wrote: Here we go again. Hop on board The Nottingham Forest managerial merry go round.

Same sh1it, different  season.   Are we honestly expecting a different outcome? Or just hopeful....again.

I still hoped for the 2 weeks and the 3 games in 6 days with Sabri to turn it around.

Bit unfair that Zico. Most managers would have been gone after Stoke but EM stuck with Sabri to give him a chance to turn things around. Unfortunately he's failed to do that.

Chris Wilder has lost 6 on the bounce and not a murmur about the sack. I agree with Zico. Insanity = persistently taking the same actions and expect I g a different outcome. The chances of sacking Sabri and some football genius coming along and getting us promoted are extremely slim. Supporting a manager even through sticky periods when fans are clamouring for change is far more likely to be a successful strategy in the end. Sabri has not become a bad manager overnight. There are so many examples of clubs sticking with a manager and reaping the benefits later. Fat too many to mention. I thought there were signs on Saturday. It was the best performance for a long time and on another day could have won. Let's just be a bit more patient and see if the players turn it around.

(05-10-2020, 01:07 PM)McDurban Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 11:02 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 10:50 AM)McDurban Wrote: It's Chris Houghton for me, he knows how to win promotion.

So does Gary Megson  :)

Yeah but he was a complete t**t.

(05-10-2020, 01:50 PM)Alf Wrote: As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

(05-10-2020, 01:55 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 01:50 PM)Alf Wrote: As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

(05-10-2020, 02:30 PM)GaribaldiRED Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 01:55 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 01:50 PM)Alf Wrote: As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

I believe you will have to give the team a bit more time before concluding on what they are capable of. Is it 13 new players if Grosicki signs today?

(05-10-2020, 02:49 PM)Alf Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 02:30 PM)GaribaldiRED Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 01:55 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 01:50 PM)Alf Wrote: As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

I believe you will have to give the team a bit more time before concluding on what they are capable of. Is it 13 new players if Grosicki signs today?

Just to explain my thought process.........

I've seen Christie a decent amount at previous clubs, Derby the main one obv, and I'd definitely say his strength is in attack not defence.

Soh & McKenna - two players who have never played in the Championship before. I don't think I need to see much of them to assume they won't have Dawson's experience. But yes I am assuming they can't pass like him, but not many Championship CB's can as he's a Prem quality player who has just gotten old. 

Colback I've also seen plenty of, as I'm sure many of us have on here. He made some decent forward passes, but I don't ever recall him spreading the ball around - especially to the flanks - like Watson did last year. In fact I think that Watson's & Daws passing is one of our biggest misses currently.

(05-10-2020, 03:25 PM)Karanka red Wrote: I did too! Maybe he is hanging on in there for another game.