(26-04-2021, 01:16 PM)Widdow Wrote:

(26-04-2021, 01:10 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(26-04-2021, 12:51 PM)Widdow Wrote:

(26-04-2021, 12:25 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(26-04-2021, 11:44 AM)Widdow Wrote: So, bar 4 games he had a whole season to get players motivated, and now they lacking anything but motivation, plus 15 player who never had the issue of what happened last season.

I dare sat, if we recruited a different manager to CH, we may have been fighting for top 6 rather than in a relegation battle.

Every manager in the league has a tough job, and unfortunately the same folk who recruited him, have been responsible for a bringing in S**t load of crap players. Sabri managed to get a tune out of them (pre lockdown) last season, CH hasnt really.

For a team like we have, we shouldnt have been anywhere near the bottom, and CH hasnt done much to improve things and his football is dire (something this detractor warned you about when he was appointed)

You've made two opposing arguments here. So we bought a "S**t load of crap players". ie we must not have a good team.

Or "we shouldn't have been anywhere near the bottom" which implies we must have a half decent team.

So I'm guessing you think Cash and Watson weren't important? Or that we didn't need Grabban and Worrall for the first half of the year? Or Lolley for most of it?

What I meant was everyone one here thought the players we bought would take us to top six, I didn’t but at same time didn’t think we be in a relegation battle, even with said players out, are you thinking we should have as you certainly wouldn’t have been saying that when Hughton was appointed. Just go back and look at the thread and see who talked it up and said still a chance for play offs. To be fair, only 4 games gone, then plenty of time, but CH didn’t deliver. 

Watson easily replaceable, especially being another year older, we couldn’t reply on him (and how well has he done for charlton?)

As for cash, major loss and so sad how they used the money. 

I am not a Christie knocker though, think he is a decent enough right back, but like to think we could do better next season

I thought we had a slim chance if he hit the ground running but didn't appreciate/realise the extent to the injuries of Grabban, Lolley, Worrall and Sow (could also add Colback to that too). I've consistently said we were lucky under Sabri, hence why I thought we needed the rebuild we went for (with less CMs) but just a shame a number of those signings did not go well.

How they used the money? What to cover our losses? We didn't really spend much on transfers fees unless I'm mistaken? I understand only McKenna and Soh will have had decent fees attached? McKenna still seems a decent investment to me, hopefully more like that this summer.

The big fails were Arter and Taylor, really left us short in key areas.

Some talk Arter (albeit undisclosed) was near £5m deal!

(26-04-2021, 02:01 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: We didnt spend £5M on Arter, more like 500k. It was the wages on the “experienced” players that annoys me the most and yes it was the Cash transfer fee pissed down the drain. Arter, Taylor, Freeman, KnocKaert, Colback, Bachirou. My guess Thats 100K /week or £5M over the season. We will be paying the wages of 4 out of those 6 next season too.
That said those players although a shocking waste should have got us to higher than 17th place in my opinion.

(26-04-2021, 01:15 PM)Widdow Wrote: I can clearly see reasons why to keep him, and CH is a nice man, who speaks well (but does have his cliches ) i just feel backing the wrong horse again, just like we did with Sabri last summer.

Come on, 31% win rate - Shocking, especially as no signs of improvement, but see majority still happy with him. End of day (i love my cliches too) doesnt matter what any of us think, especially me, as only one man making decisions, the problem is, bad decisions continue to be made, we shall see if keeping or sacking CH is good or bad.

(26-04-2021, 02:01 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: We didnt spend £5M on Arter, more like 500k. It was the wages on the “experienced” players that annoys me the most and yes it was the Cash transfer fee pissed down the drain. Arter, Taylor, Freeman, KnocKaert, Colback, Bachirou. My guess Thats 100K /week or £5M over the season. We will be paying the wages of 4 out of those 6 next season too.
That said those players although a shocking waste should have got us to higher than 17th place in my opinion.

(26-04-2021, 03:18 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: How the hell is Hughton a bottler?

His record speaks for itself. You don't have to like him I get that but lets not be daft.

(26-04-2021, 03:05 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: a big chunk of this discussion is about whether CH has got the best out of a squad he inherited, personally, i don't think he has, we got some terrific offensive players but the lack of goals and chances proves the point, CH never gambles or changes things drastically, he's more about not losing than going all out for the win, i can't see him succeeding, he's had an above average squad and above average depth of squad but well below average goals and points

he's peaked and well past his prime and no innovation, no risk, lack of belief, we've had far too long of this, the arguments for sticking with CH all point to the fact we should of stuck with O'Neill and Keane, they had more about them, more of everything to do with old school stuff and past performance

we will end up with the irony that we stick with Hughton for the same sort of reasons people wanted O'Neill and Keane out but the latter would of brought success but this club has bottled it for a bottler

(26-04-2021, 05:04 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote:

(26-04-2021, 03:18 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: How the hell is Hughton a bottler?

His record speaks for itself. You don't have to like him I get that but lets not be daft.

he'll dig in for a draw but how often has he gone for the win?  he doesn't seem to play to win, he sets up not to concede, this is generalising the stats which are appalling if you want to use them to prove that CH is an offensive, cavalier, victory or die type manager, all they prove is he is a bottler or furnish a very strong case, the owner bottled it by not backing O'Neill and Keane when the dressing room needed sorting out and a few passions stirred up and a few dents into 1 or 2's pride, that is what a pre season used to be about, now there is nothing except statistics and what do they prove?  he failed to get a tune out of a set of decent players ... because he bottled it every game virtually, it's like he wasn't under pressure or anything to prove, his legacy of 'success' actually justifies to him just doing enough