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[woody]

It’s doing the club, the one we support no good whatsoever.

Neither is having 13 managers in 8 years though Redgirl.

If, the rumours about player unrest is true, what can be done about it? We are hearing far too often in this day and age about Managers getting the sack due to players falling out with their manager etc.

Players who do not do what they are expected to do, for example, cause problems further down the line. If, for example, one player is seen, by the rest of the squad, to have gotten away with not doing something they should've done, just, for example, Geddy not warming down after a match, despite being on the bench, then other players see him getting away with it and decide in the future, they won't warm down afterwards because they had been an unused sub, what then? The club finds itself in a situation whereby it has a system in place at all times, but players are allowed to misuse that system. That system is then deemed to have been a waste of time!

There is the rumour of another player being disciplined for turning up late for the team bus. Is this excusable? No, it isn't. The bus has been scheduled to leave at a certain time for a reason. What next? a player turns up at the ground after kick off and expects to get dressed and stroll onto the pitch part way through a game?

At the end of the day, players have a responsibility to do what the club asks of them. They are paid well enough to do that right? The manager is the clubs representative to do the asking, in the best interests of the club, right? So if players decide that they will or will not do something against the express wishes of the club, then that players decision is not in the best interests of the club is it?  It isn't in my opinion anyway.

Yes, players should be able to question decisions made by the manager, if they feel it would benefit anyone or it wouldn't work. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. Remember the famously Cloughie quote? " A player would come into my office complaining about something, we would sit, we would talk about it for 20 minutes, then we would agree that I was right". 

Managers need to be better protected from player disruption otherwise in another 8 years, will we have reached the 30 managers in 16 years headline in the papers, with still no stability at the club and still languishing in the Championship? For me, a manager should be sacked for poor results, inappropriate behaviour, which could be anything, not just football related, or for bringing the clubs good name and integrity down. He should not be sacked because certain players don't like being told off for doing something wrong, or they didn't like having to run up Wollaton Hall hill on a warm sunny day.

As someone that is regularly late for work I have to say being disciplined seems a bit harsh! Sure if it’s consistently causing an issue but being 5 mins late isn’t going to make much difference right?

No Wassy, you make a rule and you stand by it otherwise it will creep into other areas and then suddenly you have a situation such as the one being talked about now.

[Redgirl]

I understand what everyone is saying respect for the manager is essential. I also understand DT is a respected journalist. I just don’t understand how throwing 1 player under the bus as the saying goes helps the club, if it has been leaked then the club is as bad as the player. Surely if the relationship between club and player is that toxic the player needs to be told to find another club? Surely we should expect Gueddy to leave now if this is true. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

[Username]

I don’t think it was released by the Club for that very reason but maybe someone on the inside has conflicting interests?

[ozzyten10]

I don’t doubt he may have had a tantrum about warming down. But to be the only player named and called out as being the reason for O’Neill’s sacking stinks. I’m sure others on here will vouch that there are many more unprofessional and bigger primadonnas at nffc than him.

[wassy04]

It’s doing the club, the one we support no good whatsoever.

Neither is having 13 managers in 8 years though Redgirl.

If, the rumours about player unrest is true, what can be done about it? We are hearing far too often in this day and age about Managers getting the sack due to players falling out with their manager etc.

Players who do not do what they are expected to do, for example, cause problems further down the line. If, for example, one player is seen, by the rest of the squad, to have gotten away with not doing something they should've done, just, for example, Geddy not warming down after a match, despite being on the bench, then other players see him getting away with it and decide in the future, they won't warm down afterwards because they had been an unused sub, what then? The club finds itself in a situation whereby it has a system in place at all times, but players are allowed to misuse that system. That system is then deemed to have been a waste of time!

There is the rumour of another player being disciplined for turning up late for the team bus. Is this excusable? No, it isn't. The bus has been scheduled to leave at a certain time for a reason. What next? a player turns up at the ground after kick off and expects to get dressed and stroll onto the pitch part way through a game?

At the end of the day, players have a responsibility to do what the club asks of them. They are paid well enough to do that right? The manager is the clubs representative to do the asking, in the best interests of the club, right? So if players decide that they will or will not do something against the express wishes of the club, then that players decision is not in the best interests of the club is it?  It isn't in my opinion anyway.

Yes, players should be able to question decisions made by the manager, if they feel it would benefit anyone or it wouldn't work. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. Remember the famously Cloughie quote? " A player would come into my office complaining about something, we would sit, we would talk about it for 20 minutes, then we would agree that I was right". 

Managers need to be better protected from player disruption otherwise in another 8 years, will we have reached the 30 managers in 16 years headline in the papers, with still no stability at the club and still languishing in the Championship? For me, a manager should be sacked for poor results, inappropriate behaviour, which could be anything, not just football related, or for bringing the clubs good name and integrity down. He should not be sacked because certain players don't like being told off for doing something wrong, or they didn't like having to run up Wollaton Hall hill on a warm sunny day.

As someone that is regularly late for work I have to say being disciplined seems a bit harsh! Sure if it’s consistently causing an issue but being 5 mins late isn’t going to make much difference right?

No Wassy, you make a rule and you stand by it otherwise it will creep into other areas and then suddenly you have a situation such as the one being talked about now.

I would argue I respect my managers a lot more for being flexible and worrying about the more important things and hence work harder for them. Not sure if this is necessarily transferable to football but it’s basic psychology so I guess so

[Salvatore Matrecano]

There may be another aspect to throw into this mix next season, the Mendes factor.

The manager is a Mendes client, the owner and senior staff clearly have links, we assume that we will have a number of players coming in on his books too. Does this create cliques? What happens if things go wrong for one of these players or they aren't in the team, do they go running off complaining to Daddy?

Just speculation of course, but it must make it harder for a player like Matty Cash for example to get a game if there is a Mendes player for the same position.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Mendes may have some influence off the pitch but certainly not on it.

[Marinakis Red]

There may be another aspect to throw into this mix next season, the Mendes factor.

The manager is a Mendes client, the owner and senior staff clearly have links, we assume that we will have a number of players coming in on his books too. Does this create cliques? What happens if things go wrong for one of these players or they aren't in the team, do they go running off complaining to Daddy?

Just speculation of course, but it must make it harder for a player like Matty Cash for example to get a game if there is a Mendes player for the same position.

That got answered last season I think with the use of dias and goncalves. Karanka is on Mendes books too, I don't think anything will alter from last season.