Evangelos Marinakis And Co

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On paper I think Vrentzos and Co signed some good players in the summer and 99% of the members on here agreed at the time.

I really can't put my finger on what has gone wrong but in my opinion it's not fair or correct to put all the blame on EM and Vrentzos.

Freeman has ripped up the Championship in the past, Knockaert has ripped up the Championship in the past, Taylor has ripped up the Championship in the past, Colback should be more than good enough at this level as should Christie. These players don't just become poor players overnight and neither do players who were already here like Lolley, Figs, Ameobi and Grabban etc.

There is more to it than blaming EM and Vrentzos in my view.

I can’t agree. 

The blame lies firmly with Vrentzos. 

If Marinakis is so wedded to Vrentzos that they come as a pair then by extension the criticism rightly passes to him too. 

Fair play, the signing of McKenna and to a much lesser extent Taylor should be lauded. 

Freeman and Knockaert are on loan so I’ve no issues with those.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

Once the players step onto the pitch it's all down to them.

Is Vrentzos to blame for missed chances By Grabban and Guerrero against Rotherham and Barnsley that cost us points?

Is Vrentzos to blame for that pathetic piece of defending against swansea on Saturday that cost us points?

Of course he's not but lets blame Vrentzos anyway if it makes you feel better.

The blame must be shared. Vrentzos is man enough to take some of the blame I am sure of that and the manager and players have to take some of the blame too.

In answer to your question: Yes. 

If we sign average players then expect average results in terms of taking / missing chances and defending / clean sheets / mistakes. 

I don’t think it’s about being man enough. It’s about being culpable and responsible for the outcome. He’s not the devil incarnate in my eyes and I sincerely hope we do better in the January window.