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[Strawberry Avenger]

People saying Carvalho’s sh*t, but at the same time stating they can’t wait to see Yates back as if he’s some kind of world beater.
Yates is just another Osborn, you need more than just a bit of enthusiasm to actually succeed at our level And what we’re actually aiming for. Right now he’s probably top half league one(and I have actually seen him play a few times).

Lets stick to facts, noboby has said Carvalho is S**t so we can put that rubbish to bed for a start.

Secondly nobody has seen Yates play yet under Lamouchi so we cannot judge him.

Thirdly, I am sure that everyone on this forum has seen Ryan Yates play, just not for this manager we have right now who has worked wonders with other players who were wriiten off like Worrall and Watson.

True, Sniffer.

Nobody can say the current Coach hasn't played Car'.  He's behind fitness wise.  But for £13 million, could be seeing more goals, more assists, more dominance and we're heading into the dark nights.  Every Forest fan wants to see him succeed.  But he'll be lucky to be worth £3-4 million at this rate of going.  Caveat being, he's not fully fit.  No player performs when they're not.  Grabban is fitter.  And he's done much better.  Car's still young and could do with another 3 months in the side.  And then he can't complain he's not been given a chance.  He has talent but he's got to have the will to succeed.

Yates being another Osborn.  That's laughable.  Different type of player to start with. Osborn was a good player and is in the Premier now.  Years of loyal service.  Yates may not have the silky skills of Car' but he's a more progressive player and has more desire.  Yates gets stuck in.  He did ok in Martin's side and starting making real progressive alongside Watson. He's total effort.  He's vocal.  A leader.  He was the best thing (for me) out of Aitor's pre-season in the previous Summer.  We haven't seen him under 'The Coach' who has revitalised Watson, Worrall, Dawson and Cash at RB (a masterstroke.)  Yates deserves the chance to play in a better team which, like Car' will provide a different insight into him as a player.  But his effort won't be wanting. 

Yates isn't fit.  And Car' isn't fully fit.  Perhaps we'll have a clearer picture when both are fully fit and playing in this 'better' team.  They both deserve a shot this season to prove themselves.  But they'll have to compete to get in the team.  That's the way it should be.

SA.