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(12-01-2019, 01:04 PM)Redgirl Wrote: Sounds like a few of the players will be happier anyway.
I don't want to see happy players, especially after a sacking of the manager, I want to see angry, bitter, twisted, miserable, horrible, moody bastards, with only 1 thought, Win, win today, nothing else matters, I don't want to see the slightest hint of a smile until we are in the PL and on that day they can walk up and look A block in the eye and say we did it for you nasty bastards
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(12-01-2019, 01:23 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: (12-01-2019, 01:04 PM)Redgirl Wrote: Sounds like a few of the players will be happier anyway.
I don't want to see happy players, especially after a sacking of the manager, I want to see angry, bitter, twisted, miserable, horrible, moody bastards, with only 1 thought, Win, win today, nothing else matters, I don't want to see the slightest hint of a smile until we are in the PL and on that day they can walk up and look A block in the eye and say we did it for you nasty bastards
Amen.
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I’m not sure how much to judge karanka on signings as we just don’t know how much influence he has. I can’t belive he went to Marinakis and said please sign Dias carvalho and goncalves. I would imagine he influenced pants gueddy Etc the more local ones. I guess the new manager will probably have even less influence.
Just in malta’s point, I think he improved cash. He only played darikwa due to byram injury. Robinson has done well, figs was signed before karanka and I think everyone thought he looked great last season so harsh to criticise that. Colback is basically our player and has done well, Jacob has looked good although I agree it was weird he didn’t play for so long. Lolley has done well so has Grabban.
IMO his biggest mistakes were Watson playing at all, pantilimon and relying on Osborn as a left back and not getting another in. I think we’ve consistently played worse without Robinson, pantilimon is at fault for so many we concede whether by diving over the ball (Leeds, Norwich) or coming for the wrong balls (Millwall at home for example). I do wonder had we stuck with smith and got a spare LB whether we’d hve another 6 points maybe which would be enough to keep everyone happy. It’s all so marginal. Had we lost to Leeds we’d be 12th and everyone would probably think it was ok for karanka to leave.
I think karanka wasn’t far off making us good and it’s a waste to have put him under so much pressure to achieve so quickly. I can also understand the quality of the football was poor at times and we rarely dominated games or won convincingly. I would’ve liked to have seen what happens if you just stick with someone. Maybe we’ll get lucky with the new manager anyway
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(12-01-2019, 01:28 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I’m not sure how much to judge karanka on signings as we just don’t know how much influence he has. I can’t belive he went to Marinakis and said please sign Dias carvalho and goncalves. I would imagine he influenced pants gueddy Etc the more local ones. I guess the new manager will probably have even less influence.
Just in malta’s point, I think he improved cash. He only played darikwa due to byram injury. Robinson has done well, figs was signed before karanka and I think everyone thought he looked great last season so harsh to criticise that. Colback is basically our player and has done well, Jacob has looked good although I agree it was weird he didn’t play for so long. Lolley has done well so has Grabban.
IMO his biggest mistakes were Watson playing at all, pantilimon and relying on Osborn as a left back and not getting another in. I think we’ve consistently played worse without Robinson, pantilimon is at fault for so many we concede whether by diving over the ball (Leeds, Norwich) or coming for the wrong balls (Millwall at home for example). I do wonder had we stuck with smith and got a spare LB whether we’d hve another 6 points maybe which would be enough to keep everyone happy. It’s all so marginal. Had we lost to Leeds we’d be 12th and everyone would probably think it was ok for karanka to leave.
I think karanka wasn’t far off making us good and it’s a waste to have put him under so much pressure to achieve so quickly. I can also understand the quality of the football was poor at times and we rarely dominated games or won convincingly. I would’ve liked to have seen what happens if you just stick with someone. Maybe we’ll get lucky with the new manager anyway
Good points.
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I actually want to see us healthy morethan anything else.
Personally I really liked the balance we had here under SOD, Warburton & Billy. Fairly modest wage & transfer spends (in Warbs case profit), some good attacking football being played, a significant amount of home wins, and us way higher in the league then we were when the manager took over.
That to me is the real recipe for success. Tick that over for a few years until we're regular top 6 challengers with sai fairly modest squad, THEN invest.
So far these owners have come in on the back of a 13m Burke sale, made 15m of Britt & wangled 7m off BB. Lolley will be worth a pretty penny too, but I worry for the day when they hit a season with no expensive players to sell.
Backing AK with so much was premature to say the least. Now we've spent 25m on a squad who could quite easily flop for the next bloke if they don't like him or suit his style of play.
Let's just get a good, steady setup together which can tick over competitively & healthily should the worst happen. Then if it's successful go for the push.
Not going to happen I know.
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Good posts and good reads Wassy and Supa Billy.
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Hopefully today we will find out the answer to the burning question eating us all up for the last couple of days.
Hopefully, this week, our season will kick back into life.
Hopefully, this month, we will see a few new signings that will rejuvenate the squad.
Hopefully there will come a time when I don’t have to be hopeful all the time!!
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Well if you look at the players we have it's not to different to the type of players he had at villa when they were flying so fingers crossed.
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I love Martin, best manager I played under - Stan Collymoore.
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I'm buzzing. Keane coming too
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A Forest man in charge of Nottingham Forest. I am happy with this.
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