The Infrastructure Projects

[stirred]

Indeed…

We all love the City Ground but if a move means the chance of European glory in the future, better access infrastructure, better facilities and dare I say it- actually being able to get a ticket to watch a game- then it’s a no brainer.

Man City fans seem to have overcome their romantic notions about Maine Road.
Locally there’s no Filbert street or baseball ground anymore.

And before you know it, most fans won’t even remember the CG, icon or not. It’s progress and it’s necessary.

Most fans won’t even remember the City Ground? I’m hoping we’re not going to die off that quickly!

Was glad to see the other mentioned possibility, other than Toton, was the industrial area just north of Meadow Lane. As far as I’m aware that would be the best option. Close to where we are, by the river, a good amount of space. What do people think about that?

Though the article was blaming the council over that one too:
 “That idea has not progressed, however, because the land is permitted only for industrial use. The city council has indicated there is no scope for that to change. That, in turn, explains why Forest have been looking at the suburbs. At least four sites have been discussed, Toton in particular.”

[DR Forest]

Indeed…

We all love the City Ground but if a move means the chance of European glory in the future, better access infrastructure, better facilities and dare I say it- actually being able to get a ticket to watch a game- then it’s a no brainer.

Man City fans seem to have overcome their romantic notions about Maine Road.
Locally there’s no Filbert street or baseball ground anymore.

And before you know it, most fans won’t even remember the CG, icon or not. It’s progress and it’s necessary.

Most fans won’t even remember the City Ground? I’m hoping we’re not going to die off that quickly!

Was glad to see the other mentioned possibility, other than Toton, was the industrial area just north of Meadow Lane. As far as I’m aware that would be the best option. Close to where we are, by the river, a good amount of space. What do people think about that?

Though the article was blaming the council over that one too:
 “That idea has not progressed, however, because the land is permitted only for industrial use. The city council has indicated there is no scope for that to change. That, in turn, explains why Forest have been looking at the suburbs. At least four sites have been discussed, Toton in particular.”

lol yes, let’s hope there’s a few more years left in us all… my dream is to see Forest win the champions league and be at the actual game- I was 14/15 when we won the European cup so just a couple of years too young to follow the team abroad ( my cousin used to go and came back with many a horror story).

For that to have any chance of happening, we either need a new ground or a radical rule change. 

I agree that the site near meadow lane would be the best of current known options but I can’t see the council playing ball.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Anyone getting a bit suspicious of our new Chairman having a vested interst in a new ground?
Or am I being unfair that circumstance is forcing his hand and he is just realistic of the best outcome?


To quote from the article “The rent, if you add it up for the next 33 years, comes to about £9.5million,”
Sounds a lot?
Or view it another way we move grounds and sell our soul for the cost of Lewis OBrien.
Really not convinced the rent increase alone is a compelling argument.

[Widdow]

I was told council wanted 850k a year and then rising to £1m later on once the work had been completed We currently pay £250k a year, (which is way below market value). Derby pay £850k for shite park in middle of an industrial estate. We are in prime spot. Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. And isn’t ironic how they talk about the council hiking up prices when the club have done exactly that to its fans.

Also shame about not buying the land near Holme pierpoint for the new state of art training ground. All this work being stopped on the ground and all seems to be more talk and no action.

The council may not be talking to us, we should be knocking on their door everyday!!

[Salvatore Matrecano]

This is the point Widdow.
If we move we either have to buy freehold of a new plot or continue to lease for presumably a similar amount that we will have to pay to stay regardless.
We aren’t suddenly better off by moving.

Somebody is twisting whats going on and the real motives. We may well be better long term if a new ground is more sensible than a compromised redevelopment but dont try to claim its all because of the rent increase Tom because I don’t believe you.

[Username]

Well considering how the council are trying to shaft the club i think it is now changing from last resort to the only sensible option if we want to grow.

So lets say we did move from the Trent does that mean we need a new club badge?

Also i do question Dan's timing of this story. Why try to alienate the fans further with two games to go by releasing this story now. Seems like he wants to damage our connection to the club further before our last home match.

(1) what are the council trying to shaft the club?
(2) what is the issue with the timing? Tom Cartledge is involved in the article so the Club were aware and might have even encouraged the story for politicial reasons.

[Username]

This is the point Widdow.
If we move we either have to buy freehold of a new plot or continue to lease for presumably a similar amount that we will have to pay to stay regardless.
We aren’t suddenly better off by moving.

Somebody is twisting whats going on and the real motives. We may well be better long term if a new ground is more sensible than a compromised redevelopment but dont try to claim its all because of the rent increase Tom because I don’t believe you.

With the victim mentality running through the Club at the moment most people will fall for it I'm afraid.

[DR Forest]

The rent issue is white noise.
I’ll bare my arse in Jessops window if the be all and end all isn’t to get the freehold.

They need that to develop the apartments/hotels needed for commercial revenue plus a 40k stadium.

If they can’t get it, then they move elsewhere and get the freehold to develop a 50k plus stadium plus the hotels etc plus the training ground (which in turn releases the current training ground for development and more revenue).

Take your pick. We need one of those options to grow.

[Redgirl]

Well I will be sat on the banks of the Trent Saturday afternoon watching the world go by, eating my burger and thanking God I’m not sat outside a soulless Bowl in a car park half way to Sheepland…can’t believe we’re even thinking about it!

[DR Forest]

Well I will be sat on the banks of the Trent Saturday afternoon watching the world go by, eating my burger and thanking God I’m not sat outside a soulless Bowl in a car park half way to Sheepland…can’t believe we’re even thinking about it!

How do you know a new stadium would be soulless?

And isn’t it the people that make the atmosphere and give it its ‘soul’?
And those fans in turn feed off success on the pitch and for that the club needs income and for that a bigger stadium and commercial facilities. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Anyway, enjoy your burger and cheer the lads on to victory on Saturday!
There’s a few things in the here and now that need sorting first….

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am dead against this moving idea.

Call me old fashioned or accuse me of living in the past I don't care.

Why do we need a ground the size of Man City, Man United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool?

Lets be honest we are never going to win the league.

'My desire is always to be here, oh City Ground'.

[Paplane]

I am dead against this moving idea.

Call me old fashioned or accuse me of living in the past I don't care.

Why do we need a ground the size of Man City, Man United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool?

Lets be honest we are never going to win the league.

'My desire is always to be here, oh City Ground'.

If we all took that approach though Sniff we'd all still be living in drafty victorian houses with a open chimney and wind coming in through the gaps in the windows. Things move on in life, buildings have to adapt for modern life.

IMO we need a 45/50k stadium. If that can't be achieved on the current site then we have to at least consider moving. We may not have needed this kind of capacity in the past and we may not need it in the future but here and now we need that kind of capacity to satisfy the demand for tickets. And there's the issue of further revenue generation from commercial uses. The CG is and probably always will be limited in what can be achieved in that regard. Like it or not, we have to accept that premier league football is about much more than your working class bloke having a couple of beers and a pie and buying a ticket for next to nowt.