The Marinakis Manifesto
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In 2017, Marinakis spelt out his vision for Nottingham Forest in his first Forest interview with BBC correspondent Richard Conway, 

Marinakis told the BBC "We have a long-term plan and within this long-term plan we want to bring Nottingham to where it belongs. And of course Nottingham belongs in the Premier League. And Nottingham belongs to the elite of the Premier League," he says.
"Furthermore the supporters of Nottingham have been tired all these years, they didn't have such good times. But they remained loyal and for us that's very important.
"The potential is huge. The potential of this team is that when it will be very well organised, when it will achieve victories again, when it will have a better position in the Championship, when it will have a better position and we can look seriously at the Premier League, then we will be there to stay."

The Marinakis manifesto was

  1. Return "stability" to a club with "huge potential" which "belongs to the elite of the Premier League"
  2. Not make rash pledges, saying: "I never give promises - I deliver"
  3. Back Mark Warburton and says he will work within EFL financial rules to support him in the transfer market
  4. Formulate a 'fans advisory body' and 'youth council' with a representative attending board meetings
  5. Reduce ticket prices to reward fan loyalty
  6. Improve the City Ground
Well after 3 years, how has he done?
 
  1. Another year in the Championship (after previous seasons of flirting with relegation, we have improved in league, but after a hard long season, it was a bottle job that should go in the Guinness book of records (beating the Forest v Yeovil game)
  2. He hasn’t delivered yet – perhaps its time to make promises
  3. Well he didn’t support Mark, he soon sacked him, and Sabri was certainly not supported, even from a position of strength. In his tenure, we have sold more in transfer fees that we have spent, so yes worked within FFP, but the side is simply not good enough.
  4. He did that, and close ties with fans. Great and?
  5. Reduced ticket prices, then put them up
  6. Yes tidied it up, gave it a lick of paint renamed hospitality spots, but still waiting on the new stand
 
 
What next for The Marinakis manifesto?
 
Well, not sure this is the best time to overhaul a squad (again) as it is a short break, and finances hit due to the pandemic, but to me that also presents opportunity and to see if the Big Greek has got the money to invest in the side. 
 
Reason for an opportunity, other clubs may need to sell, club, players, agents will not be able to demand such high wages and fees, align that with the FFP rules being relaxed as clubs get back on the "horse" and stabilize in this unsure financial times, surely we can take advantage of it?  
 
Do Marinakis (and his co owner Socrates Kominakis, ) have the money, and the passion, that is the question?
 
His team (and where his heart lies and drives decisions) is Olympiacos, and he is now back on top in Greece, after splashing the cash on them Forest are a business he runs, and makes decisions with his head. 
 
Well for me it is time to run with both his head and heart, if he wants success on and off the pitch.
 
IF he keeps Sabri, then he simply must back him, getting the recruitment right is crucial. January was a disaster and didn't help. 
 
If he sacks him, then again, he needs to give the new guy every chance to succeed, someone who knows the league (Sabri himself said it took him ages to understand the Championship, yet i am sure he still doesn't which has been highlighted since project restart)
 
This also is the perfect time to get the plans for the City Ground approved, and starting the work whilst fans cannot attend games. I do think that would have been a hard decision to make to start work on building the new stand if we had got promoted, but now we face another year in the Championship, and no fans, its a no brainer to get the ball rolling on the work.
 
Everyone is entitled to my opinion - COYR  :)
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#2
We have improved on league position but is that enough for him, is it enough for the fans?

Marinakis chooses the management and coaches  and also the Main staff on the recruitment side.

He didn’t for whatever reason back the manager in January. Hoping someone can explain why?

Is this the season he should be delivering, is that what fans should expect ?

Or are you going to be happy to continue to sell players and give it a go for the play offs, or do you demand more?
Everyone is entitled to my opinion - COYR  :)
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#3
When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.
Panic on the streets of London
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(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

May I remind you Sniff that many of your patrons - me included - don’t have so many years for this dream to come true   :(
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(24-07-2020, 02:28 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:
(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

May I remind you Sniff that many of your patrons - me included - don’t have so many years for this dream to come true   :(

Hang on in there TPL, this time next year we'll be millionaires.....
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(24-07-2020, 02:28 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:
(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

May I remind you Sniff that many of your patrons - me included - don’t have so many years for this dream to come true   :(

:D Hang on in there for another 2 or 3 years TPL. That should do it.
Panic on the streets of London
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(24-07-2020, 02:28 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:
(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

May I remind you Sniff that many of your patrons - me included - don’t have so many years for this dream to come true   :(

I have to say, that I do feel sorry for our younger fans, who have supported us over the past couple of decades, listening to us old gits banging on about the glory years and some of them have never even witnessed a PL match!! My youngest three have never been to a PL match and I think my eldest may have been to a couple, but was probably too young to remember!!
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#8
My son is now in his thirties and was constantly subjected to taunts from his schoolmates - so called Man U, Liverpool, Spurs fans etc ( none of them had ever seen their team except on TV - pot hunters ). I suggested to him one Monday evening after yet another day of barracking from his unmerciful schoolmates that he might want to support a PL club. To his credit he chose to stick with his ‘inherited’ team.
Consequently I get as much satisfaction these days seeing the smile on the faces of my son & grandsons after another Trickies win.
I’m sure I’m not alone in that.
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(24-07-2020, 05:45 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: My son is now in his thirties and was constantly subjected to taunts from his schoolmates - so called Man U, Liverpool, Spurs fans etc ( none of them had ever seen their team except on TV - pot hunters ). I suggested to him one Monday evening after yet another day of barracking from his unmerciful schoolmates that he might want to support a PL club. To his credit he chose to stick with his ‘inherited’ team.
Consequently I get as much satisfaction these days seeing the smile on the faces of my son & grandsons after another Trickies win.
I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

Similar here, took my Son in the old Trent End when he was young, he is a Red through and through.
He moved down to Gatwick area after he met his girlfriend, three kids later he has Chelsea and Arsenal supporting Sons.
It didn't help that their other Grandad is an Arsenal supporter.
Well they have now moved to Market Harborough, striking distance from the City Ground!
Well, my Son is now on a mission to turn them into Reds Fans, I have told him it is his duty, lol!
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(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

True.

SA.
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(24-07-2020, 08:22 PM)Joe Baker Legend Wrote:
(24-07-2020, 05:45 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: My son is now in his thirties and was constantly subjected to taunts from his schoolmates - so called Man U, Liverpool, Spurs fans etc ( none of them had ever seen their team except on TV - pot hunters ). I suggested to him one Monday evening after yet another day of barracking from his unmerciful schoolmates that he might want to support a PL club. To his credit he chose to stick with his ‘inherited’ team.
Consequently I get as much satisfaction these days seeing the smile on the faces of my son & grandsons after another Trickies win.
I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

Similar here, took my Son in the old Trent End when he was young, he is a Red through and through.
He moved down to Gatwick area after he met his girlfriend, three kids later he has Chelsea and Arsenal supporting Sons.
It didn't help that their other Grandad is an Arsenal supporter.
Well they have now moved to Market Harborough, striking distance from the City Ground!
Well, my Son is now on a mission to turn them into Reds Fans, I have told him it is his duty, lol!

Power to his elbow.
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(24-07-2020, 02:23 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: When we take a moment to remember what a state this club was in when Marinakis took over I don't think that 3 years is a long time. The club was one breath away from death. We should remember that.

I can see steady progress being made. Things are far from perfect but we are on the right road. A bit more patience is needed.

I still believe that EM will deliver in time.

Nah ... he will sell us ... we r not his boyhood team, rarely foreign owners stick around for long, or they make some money of their asset or they end up in administration. I am not seeing any particular strategy here ... apart from alot of lucky wins ( that many were happy to take is it was SL first season nd brought us points on the the table), the football we ended up playing was the worst in years ... hiding behind 'play on the break' mantra... but how many goals on the break did we score... especially in 2020..?
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