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RE: 442 - BarryLyons - 19-01-2019
Yes.
Well said username
And nothing was changed so I gather.
And was the reason I left just after half time.
RE: 442 - Spangles - 19-01-2019
(19-01-2019, 08:25 PM)BarryLyons Wrote: Yes.
Well said username
And nothing was changed so I gather.
And was the reason I left just after half time.
Great support.
RE: 442 - Username - 19-01-2019
(19-01-2019, 08:19 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(19-01-2019, 07:50 PM)Username Wrote: I’ll go into more detail on the match day thread when I have the energy but how any sane person could think Yacob and Colback playing 40 yards behind Murphy and Grabban would work raises questions about their own judgment.
It was akin to watching a McLaren team with Boateng and Greening. The “football” was pretty much the same standard too.
Grabban was playing deeper than Murphy and colback regularly pushed further forward. If you switch Murphy and carvalho he can be the link. Lolley can definitely play in a 442, maybe goncalves would be good.
I’m not saying it will work but I think it can work. It clearly works for plenty of other clubs in the league including today’s opponents
Even Martin pretty much admitted in his post match interview that it had failed!
RE: 442 - Trent End Dave - 19-01-2019
Obsolete formation for me and especially with the players we have. We don’t have one physical and mobile centre midfielder let alone the two that would be a must to pull it off. We basically conceded the middle of the park in the hope of hitting them on the counter attack, which we lacked the pace and accuracy of balls in to the front two to really get any joy from. The amount of space Bristol got out wide was unbelievable, the ease in which they played round our two in the middle with the extra man was embarrassing at times.
The last team I remember really making it work were Arsenal with a 4411 variation with Bergkamp and Henry up top, Viera and Petit in the middle with Pires (?) and Ljungberg (?) on the wings and those boys could get up and down, physically impose themselves and play a fair bit as well.
RE: 442 - Trent End Dave - 19-01-2019
(19-01-2019, 08:44 PM)ENG3 Wrote:(19-01-2019, 08:34 PM)Trent End Dave Wrote: The last team I remember really making it work were Arsenal with a 4411 variation with Bergkamp and Henry up top, Viera and Petit in the middle with Pires (?) and Ljungberg (?) on the wings and those boys could get up and down, physically impose themselves and play a fair bit as well.
Leicester when they won the league?
A few teams utilise it around Europe, even today, although I'm not a fan personally, my dream team suits a 4-3-3, although, depending on personnel & circumstances I suppose I'd use it if it was the right solution.
Well it didn’t take long for me to look like a mug! In my defence, that year Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City all did their best to not win the league with Arsenal and Liverpool just doing their usual trick of being mediocre.
RE: 442 - TrickySte - 19-01-2019
That was absolutely shite. Not just the formation but the predictable play, everyone playing in straight lines and the aimless punts forward.
It was laughable how easy they worked the ball around us in the first time. It was like it was 12 v 10.
RE: 442 - TrickySte - 19-01-2019
Leicester were fortunate to have Kante, a freak of a midfielder and Okazaki who played up front bit did a lot of defensive work
RE: 442 - wassy04 - 19-01-2019
Burnley have used it effectively in the last few years (forgetting this season) as do Bournemouth. Other teams have used it as a 4411 successfully Brighton/Watford for example. In the championship hull/Bristol city/Birmingham use it effectively with decent results.
It’s a formation that creates potential to overachieve with average players. It’s probably not my personal favourite but I do like it if you’re an average team. We’ve played 4231 or 433 for years unsuccessfully. Also people saying it was rubbish today, fine but it’s not like we’ve dominated many games this season playing 4231, at least this means in theory when we do get forward we have better options to create clear cut chances.
It obviously looks bad as you do concede the middle of the pitch and you are forced to play more direct than some would like but I don’t think it’s the outdated formation some make out
RE: 442 - Paplane - 19-01-2019
Weve gone from a sophisticed, organised, tight and coherent team to a bunch of cloggers who hoof it forward. Seeing Grabban, Lolley Yavob look well average after AK had them looking absolute quality was a real let down.. No way are we going to be instantly winning games under MON. I can see us going on a poor run now before we eventually get better but of course, if it hasnt already do so, the 6 six will be long gone and then so will MON.
RE: 442 - ThePromisedLand - 19-01-2019
(19-01-2019, 09:57 PM)Paplane Wrote: Weve gone from a sophisticed, organised, tight and coherent team to a bunch of cloggers who hoof it forward. Seeing Grabban, Lolley Yavob look well average after AK had them looking absolute quality was a real let down.. No way are we going to be instantly winning games under MON. I can see us going on a poor run now before we eventually get better but of course, if it hasnt already do so, the 6 six will be long gone and then so will MON.
Sadly - I agree.
RE: 442 - Username - 19-01-2019
Me too.
RE: 442 - PsychoStooge - 19-01-2019
I'd bump my thread that I did on it months ago if I could be bothered. It's an awful formation with no place in modern football.